Moment that makes you most concerned for JT’s mental health
Nobody should ever cocoon.
Sophy says: Cocooning is wrong. Didn’t your parents ever teach you that, Mr Thorne?
Rin says: It’s even wrong when BUTTERFLIES DO IT. So, I’m not sure why he thought doing it with people would be okay.
Moment that makes you most in awe of JT’s mental awesome
“Eden was still there. They were still in Eden… only its beauty was lost to them. Their own beauty was lost to them.”
Sophy says: I loved this scene for many reasons. First off because at the end of the last episode I had kind of assumed, for some trained-to-cliche reason, that Snapey would now be evil and secretly plotting against Neil and co, and I was feeling a bit grumpy about it. Rin and I had a fondness for her right from the start and didn’t want to see her running around not being her. I’m very glad that I was being an idiot and that of course she’s not evil, she’s just dead, and the dead aren’t bad until they choose to be.
I also love that Neil has been set up as a kind of mentor figure to Paul, and yet here we see that for all he is tough and grown up and until recently had a super gross eye that made him look super cool, he needs a mentor too. As he will realize sharply and painfully at the end of the episode, he needs this relationship, desperately – Helen is someone to talk to, and someone to talk to him. She’s someone to remind him about the beautiful things and tell him to keep the faith, or else. She’s his friend, and that is really, really important.
I also found Helen’s determination to bend an apparently atheistic reality to her faith fascinating. Death is when you’re supposed to get to know things, isn’t it? It’s supposed to work like this: if you spend your whole life believing in a God you can’t see, you’ll be rewarded in the afterlife with the sight of what you’ve held to in blindness. It doesn’t necessarily work that way in the Fadeverse, and Helen has known that, intellectually, and now she knows it in her own body. Death does not end uncertainty. But she will not allow it to end hope either.
Helen’s faith is inspiring, but I can’t help reminding myself that it is not tested. She glows off, after all, so when she talks about not turning your back on the beauty of the world, I remind myself that she hasn’t had to live death in a world that has turned its back on her. Would it be as simple for her, always? Is it really fair to say that the Fades who rebel against their condition are just doubter bitches? Is it fair to say that Neil is weak because he struggles to believe in happy endings? When Sarah is gone and Helen is gone and hope seems to be going with them… is his life much different from the lived death of the Fades? Alone, outside looking in…
IT’S ALL SO BLURRY. IT’S ALL SO MAGNIFICENTLY BLURRY AND MY BRAIN HURTS AND OH.
Rin says: The dialogue here was very, very lovely. What I especially like is that even though Helen is using religion to explain her point, the sentiment itself isn’t religious at all. Thus, no matter what you believe, you can still appreciate what she’s saying. Seeing the good in the world, having hope, faith, all of it is always there — no matter how much we despair.
Plus I just love how she’s talking about Eden and they’re basically sitting in Eden. It’s a nice touch. (Can you imagine if The Fades was still called Touch? Oh the puns we’re missing out on!)
Sophy says: THE MOTHERFUCKING WINGS. I COULDN’T. I HAD TO PAUSE AND CONCENTRATE VERY HARD ON GETTING THE LIQUID IN MY MOUTH TO GO DOWN.
Rin says: This is hardly the time to mention liquids in your mouth.
I thought you were better than that.
Sophy says: Why.
“You left me! We broke up, it was shit. What changed? Are you stuck because of me? Are we in a fucking film? Are you… Do you still love me? I wish you could answer that question without having to ask Neil.”
Sophy says: This was the first time I felt properly connected to Mark, and okay I was just about to say I’ve found Sarah haunting from the start and now I want to slap myself in the face repeatedly.
Let’s try again.
This is a really beautiful little scene. I love that Neil was so direct with Mark earlier about what was going on and I loved how quickly Mark managed to believe him – usually these situations involve a long, drawn out saga in which the teller ums and ahs and almosts and the tellee is all LALALA CAN’T HEAR YOU. Okay not exactly like that, but you know what I mean. It’s boring. I’m glad it was dispensed with here and we could move on to this strange, sad not-a-conversation. Because Mark finding out that Sarah is dead and sticking around isn’t the big deal. The big deal is what happens after that, because for us, and perhaps even for them, the mystery is exactly what they feel for one another and why they feel it. There’s a nice irony in the fact that Sarah seems to have spent so much of her life running after death, and now in death, the only thing she finds worthwhile is to run after the life she could have had then.
“Four days ago, she, Sarah’s ghost, saw you sleeping with a woman called Vicky, and it broke her heart.”
I think these two have the potential to really, really hurt me, and I can’t wait.
Rin says: This is basically when the episode started going into OVERDRIVE, leaving us breathless and praying that the end of the episode was still an hour away.
This was a very understated scene, which is entirely why I think it worked. There was a bit of humour, a bit of sadness, but mostly confusion. Because what on earth would you say/do if you had another chance to say things that were left unsaid? You couldn’t possibly know, and that comes through with Mark as he stumbles through his words, unable to process his thoughts fast enough.
I’m also started to feel like this whole thing with Sarah focusing on Mark is going to be key to whether or not Sarah starts feeling hungry for flesh.
Also, while we’re under Best Scene I neeeeeeeed to talk about that ending. First Paul getting hit by the car. I mean. You SAW that coming because whenever anyone walks out into the street smiling and not looking they ALWAYS GET HIT, BUT JESUS CHRIST THAT DIDN’T LESSEN THE IMPACT AT ALL?? It was breathtaking. And then we’re saying goodbye to Helen and WE’RE NOT READY. AND THEN THE FUCKING COCOON AND JOE FUCKING DEMPSIE FALLS OUT OF IT. AND. AND. JACK THORNE REALLY LIKES GIVING JOE NUDE SCENES?
It was all too amazing.
Then this happened.
Sophy says: I DON’T EVEN. LIKE. THAT STRANGE SOUNDED INHALATION WAS JUST? I JUST. CREEPIEST/BEST YAWN EVER? WOW?
Jack Thorne/Naked Joe forever. ♥
Oh, that Mac
“I’m just going back to my computer game, okay? It goes all funny if you leave it on pause for too long.”
Sophy says: Okay so I was watching Ringer the other day and whining to Rin every time there was a line that had a poignant double entendre so chunky it’s like soup made of stew.
This is how you do a poignant double entendre. It’s total double entendre consommé.
ALSO. PACMAN. Previously-on-Mac continues to be the best one.
Rin says: MAC IS BASICALLY GOLD ALL THE TIME. So this is kind of the cream of the crop situation. He’s just all cream. All the time. Full cream, cream.
Well the big difference between The Fades and Ringer is that The Fades doesn’t try and have a double meaning to EVERY SINGLE FUCKING LINE. So when it does occur it’s special and poignant and subtle.
But seriously. This has to be the new, DEAL WITH IT. He puts those spectacles on like a boss.
In a jedi robe.
Reasons Lily should be in the opening credits.
The best Lily is all the Lilys.
Sophy says: Still hot
Rin says: She’ll be eating through a straw for the rest of her life
Sophy says: THIS SCENE. WAS SO FUNNY. I know people are complaining about the lack of reaction Anna and Jay have to the whole thing where Anna’s lips turned into chewing gum, but I only agree partially. I do think Jay’s response was a bit ridiculous, because seeing her just hop to the sexing without bothering to even ask a few choice questions, like, ‘How long have you known you can maim with your mind?’ No. But I thought Anna’s response worked fine. It was ridiculous, but in a comical way, and I had less trouble imagining that Anna had her own more freaked and/or contemplative reaction off-screen than I did with Jay.
“Paul is having sex with my best friend and then when I found them and shouted at him, he did a magic spell on me!”
I’d also like to sneak in a mention for Paul and Anna’s mum here, because she is always wonderful and made me laugh out loud with her “Do you want me to chase after you?”
And finally, what is going on with Anna’s room. That is not the room of your typical bitchy cheerleader type. Masks are creepy. End of discussion.
Rin says: First things first. Anna/Bed. OTP.
Anna is so ridiculous. When she says, ‘HE’S GOT SUPER POWERS’ it sounds so ridiculous and silly that it just works.
I really want to know how Paul fixed her mouth though. Did he just glow-hand her again or what?
AND YES, MEG THE MUM IS THE BEST. When she said she was rather impressed by Paul sleeping with Jay?
“It’d just be nice if you could worry about me too.”
Sophy says: Softer side of Anna alert! I loved this sulky, sweet little moment.
Rin says: I think it was also my preferred look for Anna.
Apart from dead Anna of course.
Sophy says: Dead Anna
Rin says: WHAT?! IT TOTALLY COUNTS. YOU CAN’T TELL US OTHERWISE, WE’VE STUFFED OUR EARS WITH COTTON WOOL!
Sophy says: Background Anna
You can’t make us choose.
Sophy says: Okay Rophy couldn’t even deal with this. We had to pause. And just. Yeah. I actually can’t talk about this and I’m not sure I should have to. Just watch it again. But this is what I screamed at Rin on yahoo at the time:
“IT’S LIKE HE’S PAUL’S LONG-SUFFERING, ADORING WIFE.”
That + a million and about sum up my feelings.
ALSO KALUUYA’S FACE. I CAN’T. *gazes*
Rin says: PLUS HE HAD HIS HOOD UP THE WHOLE TIME??? WHO GAVE THEM THE MEMO THAT HOODS-UP IS ROPHYNIP?
AND THE TWO BALLOONS. 17 +1 .. I can’t. So cute.
AND SEVEEEEENNN. It’s just a nicer number to say.
Sophy says: WE HAD TO PAUSE AGAIN. Specifically we had to pause at the wide shot of them sitting on the benches just over from another old married couple because we both tried to keyboard mash and yahoo went crazy and it was just wiser to pause and wait till the storm had passed.
AND THEN THERE WAS THE KEY. AND WE COULDN’T. AND I DON’T. BECAUSE. It’s like all the things you’d expect Paul and Jay to wind up doing if this were Hollywood and there weren’t flesh-eating monsters to deal with… are things Paul and Mac are doing. Right now. And I just.
On a less hysterical note, I really loved how the invitation into Paul’s home made a contrast with Mac’s dad’s attitude when Mark paid him a visit – “Don’t come to my house. Never come to my house.” Whilst it’s obviously a very different context, that is the kind of man Mac lives with and I think it pretty much sums up how he feels in his own home. And just… this is the sweetest, most thoughtful, most meaningful and unashamedly loving guy-to-guy birthday present ever?
ALSO “ARE WE IN LOVE”?
ALSO KALUUYA’S FACE AGAIN. WHAT.
Rin says: This may be the sweetest moment ever. History of ever kind of stuff.
I was giggling throughout when I saw the key, ’cause I was like, ‘HE’S ASKING HIM TO MOVE IN TO HIS APARTMENT’ and it basically played out like that. And it’s one of those moments where it’s totally playing into the cliche, but making it completely new all at once. Because it’s Paul/Mac, for fucks sake! It’s like they make everything new again.
And there was continued swappage of their ice creams! And THE OLD PEOPLE ON THE BENCH. JUST MIRRORING RIDICULOUSLY. It was all so glorious
And then Paul told Mac that no matter what happens with Jay he’ll still always matter. And my heart. It doubled.
Sophy says: He’ll always matter more.
“YOU KNOW, DON’T YOU, THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH JAY, YOU’LL ALWAYS BE MORE IMPORTANT TO ME, RIGHT?”
Rin, I think we need to bring this out…
“I grow wings when I ejaculate.”
“You know, that’s quite a good line for you.”
Sophy says: I DON’T THINK THE WORD EJACULATE HAS EVER BEEN USED SO CUTELY???
DID SHE GET TO SEE HIS WINGS AT SEX-TIME??? WERE THEY SPECIAL GOLD-STAR WINGS OR JUST REGULAR????
I’m guessing regular based on the mega-healing scene. Rin and I laid bets. She said a tribe of moths, I said one big woolly mammoth moth. We were both disappointed/relieved.
I hope Jay still felt special?
Rin says: This was very cute and bantery. I like cute and bantery.
I’m not sure he winged when they had sex. I think there probably would have been a discussion about that. So I’m wondering if there’s any reason he didn’t wing, or maybe that’s just a private-time thing? WHO KNOWS? IT’S THE FADEVERSE, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
Sophy says: ANYTHING. OH. And I also really really loved:
“You know, when you kiss me, I completely lose my thought… brain.”
“A brain you have thoughts in?”
Most traumatising/frightening/why am I watching this again?
Why not just use an overlocker?
Sophy says: Okay, Neil, we know you’re tough. Please stop forever now.
Rin says: The whole time I was just like, uhhhh, dude? No? Just no? Stop.
Head In Hands
Sophy says: You know how we had to stop earlier because we keyboardmashed and it made yahoo go all something-something?
Yahoo has scars.
Rin says: Yeah, seriously. Remember that time he showed up in Game Of Thrones and we mashed until the end of days? This was 10x that, simply because we were way too engrossed in the episode to be even thinking about Joe and when he’d pop up. This was basically all our Christmasses at once.
Sophy says: And a few birthdays?
Rin says: We don’t have time for all of your birthdays!
Sophy says: We’ve moved into that stage where I just get one candle regardless of the number, haven’t we?
Rin says: Yeah, we use the same candle every year.
Sophy says: What.
“You don’t… care about… films?”
Sophy says: Whatever, Paul. We wouldn’t have had sex with her after that. It’s a matter of principle.
Rin says: That’s a deal breaker.
Our pants came off.
She’s an animagus! Or a member of the Chumash tribe.
Sophy says: Guh!
I’ll miss Snapey
Rin says: Apart from being kind of gorgeous and glowy, I loved that they were birds. Wonderful glowing birds! To you know, make up for the fact that they’ve been dropping dead since episode 1.
I’ll also really miss Snapey.
Rophy’s final thought:
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*Starts furiously writing Naomi/Chris fanfiction*