New Directions – Here’s To Us
Rin says: Like there was even a question about which song would make it here.
I pretty much didn’t care for any of the other songs, except for the other ND performance because oh my god, THE RAPPING. SANTANA AND BLAINE RAPPING WILL FOREVER BE IN MY HEART. They’re just so precious.
But ‘Here’s To Us’ takes the cake for me, and I hadn’t even heard of the song prior to this. I can only explain my instant love for this performance by saying: Lea freaking Michele. I’m sorry, but if the moment at 31.13 didn’t give you chills and have you gaping in awe, then you’re simply not human.
I also kind of freaked out a whole bunch when it was just the girls on stage, because oh my gosh, it’s like the inverse of ‘Man In The Mirror’ (especially with the end shot of them standing together in the lights) and I love that we just got to see the girls perform together on stage, because I don’t even know if they’ve done that before. I also thought it was adorable that the guys were up in the boxes doing backup. Very cute.
The Daddy Berry’s were also ADORABLE as they watched Rachel perform. It makes me lol that this is the first time they’ve come to see Rachel perform. Yeah right If your daughter was Rachel Berry you’d be at every god damn performance. Such is Glee. I’m glad they were adequately teary-eyed and beaming with pride though.
Sophy says: OH LEA MICHELE.
I won’t deny that Santana and Blaine rapping will always hold a special place in my heart.
BUT OH LEA MICHELE.
To be fair it is completely plausible that her dads would be in tearful, open-mouthed awe every time they saw their daughter perform. They’re only human, after all.
And yes, sometimes I like it when the boys are in boxes. Packed away. Like unwanted lunches.
Rin says: I got SO much joy out of seeing Sue and Quinn together in a scene again. It was a glorious throwback, and one I hadn’t realised how much I’d missed until we were given it again.
“Wow. Um, that’s amazing and confusing.”
Was PERFECTLY delivered and full of lols and it’s not often that I’m laughing at Quinn that doesn’t have to do with ‘LOL QUINN Y U SO INSANE/AND OR GAY?’ or her dancing. So, props! Sue was also pulling out all the stops with curry/hug from Principal Figgins and “Well, thank you, Q, for that condescending tone and barely helpful advice.”
And as for Quinn wanting to be back on the Cheerios, I’m all for it. Because she’s not just a stereotype — Cheerio Quinn does not automatically mean she goes back to HBIC Quinn/Blonde-little-miss-perfect. Not any more anyway, and I would have loved to have seen her back on the squad, but we’re probably never going to see that now. I do like the acknowledgement of it being a part of who Quinn is, and that she’s had all of this self-discovery, gotten into Yale, and still wants to be on the squad. If only for her own enjoyment and the possibility of winning a national championship, nothing more.
Plus, Quinn/Cheerio uniform.
I also have to say I found Meerkat pretty hilarious at the start of the episode. Gay Cyclops. Tina Blowing-Wang.
p.s. Those last two caps aren’t particularly relevant to Biggest LOL. But if you think we need a reason to put in extra cute Quinn caps for this gleecap, you are very wrong.
Sophy says: “AND CONFUSING.” Oh gosh, I burst out laughing. There was just something about her face and the delivery that was lolforever. And like Rin says, that’s fairly rare with Quinn, so it was a bit of a treat.
I also really enjoyed her scenes with Sue generally – their relationship is a very interesting one that has been oft ignored and honestly, I felt such pangs of nostalgia every time she called her Q. So even though it was laid on a little Gonna get hit by a truck thick, it was still very welcome.
And I have to admit that Meerkat was funny. Before he was neutered by the power of Karofsky’s pain.
“I’m not gonna stand around and watch you ruin your life by marrying Finn Hudson.”
Sophy says: I really loved this scene, for so many reasons.
First, I loved it because amid all the support of Rachel and Finn’s teen wedding, and the cute, comical disapproval, which amounted to tacit support of Rachel and Finn’s teen wedding, we got to at least have one scene where the rational position of “What the fuck, no” was put forward and hashed out properly.
Secondly, I loved it because one of my favourite characters got to stand up for what she believes in and make her point clear to someone she cares about, before ultimately taking the tacit support route, and getting hit by a truck.
Thirdly, I loved it because it meant that my favourite relationship on the show, got the respect it deserved in an episode in which one half of it ultimately got hit by a truck. So, you know, I got a solid character-driven scene between the two of them before having to spend a seven week hiatus wondering whether one of them is dead or not.
This scene also reflected how carefully the episode was plotted, in that without it, Quinn’s ultimate support of Rachel and Finn’s teen wedding would just feel like a glib, unearned capitulation to the Finchel, yay, attitude that the narrative is pushing. With this scene however, it’s made clear that Quinn is not realizing the error of her ways in objecting to the wedding, but is simply putting aside her objections because Rachel has made up her mind and she doesn’t want to be a source of unhappiness for her. It also makes sense of Rachel’s fervent desire not to start the wedding without Quinn – because she knows that Quinn has chosen to compromise what she so passionately believes in in order to support her friend no matter what.
So even though the writers ultimately offended me on so many levels, at least they gave me this wonderful, meaningful scene to treasure.
In all seriousness, I think it was a big mistake to leave this scene out, and an even bigger mistake to make it such a feature of the promo thereby getting so many people’s hopes up. Glee has done this before, and it sucked then too – most recently the axing of Santa Baby and the Kurt/Blaine gift scene. But it’s different here. Because, you know, at the end of the Christmas episode, neither Kurt, Blaine, Santana nor Brittany GOT HIT BY A TRUCK.
Which I suppose brings me to a point of hope. I decided pretty quickly after finishing the episode that Quinn was unlikely to be dead. And the main reason for that was that if they were going to kill her off, they surely wouldn’t have been so cruel as to deny Faberry fans their scene. And you’d think they might have given us a Quinn/Santana/Britt scene too before we had to say goodbye. So I guess even though the Sue/Quinn scenes screamed ‘DANGER DANGER’ the callous removal of the Faberry scene and the lack of any friendship scenes between the ‘Unholy trinity’, or any Quinn/Puck interaction for that matter, kind of whispered ‘It’ll be okay.’
Rin says: Okay. Do you want to know what happened last week after Heart aired? We were absolutely furious after the episode because once again Rachel was being moronic and the poster child for ‘Idiotic Things Teens Do.’ And no progress was being made, and it seemed like Quinn had given up on trying to make Rachel see some sense, because she happily joined in to serenade Rachel, on Finn’s behalf. And that made me very angry, because NO. She wouldn’t just give up that easily.
So I was stewing in my rage bath, whilst Sophy quietly went off and watched the promo for this episode. She tells me she knows we usually don’t watch the promos, but thinks I should watch it, and casually sends me the link. I go into it thinking ‘great, probably more things to anger me.’ And then. The Faberry scene.
With Quinn fired up, fighting for Rachel’s future. SHE. WASN’T. GOING. TO. JUST. STAND. AROUND.
And my anger dissipated just like that. Because THANK GOD, Glee weren’t dropping the ball for once! They were actually going to come through for us!
I was on freaking cloud nine for days, and had never been more excited for a Glee episode!
And then I was told the scene was cut from the episode.
The night before the news of it being cut, I replied to a comment on our last recap that mentioned Brittana scenes being cut, and I said:
“As for deleted scenes, and how the end result appears on screen. It happens to every character on every television show, and we just have to take the end result for what it is. Even if stuff was already filmed and 95% of its way into the final cut, only to be cut last minute, we can only take into account what we see on screen.”
Which… is hilariously ironic and upsetting now.
Am I now being a huge hypocrite by having this as best scene? Yes. Do I care? Not really.
I mean, apart from being the painfully obvious stan that I am, I do believe this scene served a purpose other than that of Faberry/Quinn/Rachel. Because there really wasn’t enough opposition to Finchel’s decision to get married. The way I’ve always felt about it is that they’re simply too young to be able to make a decision like this. They haven’t lived in the real world. Everyone thinks they know everything whilst in high school, and then you leave and everything just gets bigger. Everything opens up and new experiences and opportunities and things you never knew you wanted are laid out before you. It’s hard enough to go through all of that in a normal relationship, so why on earth would you want the added pressure of being married?
And it’s not like I’m some old-wise-adult-person-thing, but I really appreciated the sentiment of Hold On To Sixteen, that your youth is something to be treasured and valued. Yet that got thrown out the window because Finchel! They can do anything! The rules don’t apply to them!
Also I’m pretty upset over Will having nothing to say about this. It’s not like he got married to his high school sweetheart which ended disastrously, fake baby and all. He’s the freaking CAUTIONARY TALE for this exact situation, but nada.
So yes. I needed this scene for my Faberry heart, and for there to actually be a god-damn reality check for the stupidity that is Finchel Teen Wedding!
And look how much Quinn cares you guys. She fucking cares.
Have we lost some credibility by making a deleted scene our best scene? Maybe. But Glee lost theirs first. Plus, when have we ever really been credible? We use emoticons and put questions marks when we’re not even asking questions???
Sophy says: I don’t know what you mean? I thought all the cool kids were doing it???
Oh god, the whole ‘the rules don’t apply to Finchel’ thing really bothers me. In the way where I need it to come crashing down, and the longer they wait, the harder the fall is going to need to be. Because Glee is not Twilight, okay? And Finchel are not Edward/Bella? Please tell me they are not, show. Because I really, really don’t want to hate them. And the longer you keep shoving them down my throat as this one in a million, sparkly-arsed, better than you and you and you and you “perfect” couple, the harder it is not to hate them. So stop, show. Just stop. Give me back the ship I used to know and actually sort of love, which, to jog your memory, was a charmingly, disarmingly ordinary high-school romance, meant for the kind of bittersweet ending that leaves a smile on people’s faces and a nostalgic mark on their hearts. That is the truth of Finchel for me. I will accept no bullshit OTP substitutes.
Also, until Rin mentioned it just now, I hadn’t really hooked into the fact that Will is the cautionary tale for Finchel. I’d been railing on and on to her since 313 about how disgusted I was that Will, as an authority figure and as a friend, failed to say anything to either Finn or Rachel. And so I railed in this episode, when he failed in his duty again… but I hadn’t even gotten to the cautionary tale place. And now that I have I honestly just feel disturbed by how careless the writers are being with this plotline, and how careless they so consistently are with Will as a character. I know a lot of people hate Will and the sad thing is that I completely understand why. But 90% of the douche-ness is down to mistakes. As in the writers fucked up and didn’t realize how his behaviour would come across. And that makes me unbearably sad.
Judging by the lack of gormless yay, Finchel grin on his face whenever the wedding is mentioned, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find that there’s a scene of Will talking seriously to Finn and Rachel somewhere on the cutting room floor. And that, my friends, is why it’s important to plan your episode coherently and strictly, and to have editors who understand how things are working thematically and character-wise – not just on a basic plot level.
IN CONCLUSION. It’s a real shame this scene was cut, because, in my view, it was crucial to the episode overall. Whereas certain other things that will go unwarblered were not crucial to the episode overall. More on that later.
PS. I love that Rachel chose pink bridesmaids’ dresses. I really, really do.
“How do I look? ;;)”
Rin says: This is a tricky one. A very very tricky one.
Because raging. MASSIVE raging that Quinn is suddenly a-okay with Rachel marrying Finn. Like, what the fuck? Especially because we didn’t have the previous scene to counter-balance this sudden epiphany. Because even the dialogue here feels a little out of context. Why is Rachel so passive aggressive with her ‘Everyone deserves to be happy,’ and why does Quinn immediately go into questioning who Rachel was singing about. If there wasn’t some prior confrontation, it doesn’t exactly add up. The last we heard from Quinn on the subject is that she didn’t think either of them were mature enough, but now it’s all, I SUPPORT YOU, YAY FINCHEL!!! Just, no.
But on the positives?
Lesbian Cheerleader Quinn Fabray is now her full name. (Unless we have to change it to Lesbian Ghost Quinn Fabray?)
I adored the previous scene with Sue/Quinn, even though it was extremely heavy handed and by that point I was absolutely certain that Quinn was going to meet a horrible fate. I mean, I love Quinn Fabray, but if you’re just going to smother her with compliments, then obviously she’s not coming out the other side unscathed. It’s classic ‘happy happy happy lovey, HA CAR CRASH! SUCK IT!’ It’s almost like we’ve seen it happen on another TV show that’s currently airing.. but I can’t quite place my finger on what…
But Quinn back in a Cheerio uniform is quite the sight for sore eyes. And I had some really sore Warbler eyes.
Is it really just my desire for Quinn to be gay for Rachel that makes her look like a big lesbian in the uniform though? She didn’t use to. But now all I see is Lesbian Cheerleader??? I don’t know. Or maybe it’s because before she didn’t just go around asking girls how she looks. Not to mention she asks the girl who has repeatedly told her to her face how beautiful she thinks she is. So. Shooting fish in a barrel, much?
And can I just say Quinn’s ‘Hey,’ is the softest and sweetest tone I’ve ever heard from the girl?
Okay, and now to the deliciously chunky meaty part of the scene.
“When you were singing that song, you were singing it to Finn and only Finn. Right?”
When I first heard her ask that (I’ve since watched it 20 times, just to see what else she could possibly mean), I thought I misheard. Cause, wow, really Quinn? Did you really just ask that? Because I have thought and thought and thought about it as objectively as I can, which is extremely hard when you’ve fallen as far as I have, but I can’t see any other explanation. Quinn has feelings for Rachel. And this is her way of checking to see if Rachel has any feelings for her.
Cause she’s fucking hopelessly hopeful you guys. When she says, ‘right?’ at the end, she knows she’s being ridiculous because Rachel is straight and in love with Finn and wanting to marry him. She’s trying to make light of a heavy question, to which the answer is obviously important to her, as evidenced by the way she pauses, speaks slowly and stares intently.
And Rachel BARELY answers, or even finds the question in the least bit confusing. Shouldn’t she be all, ‘Well of course silly! Who else would I be singing it to?’ Because the way Quinn phrases it is just odd. What does, ‘and only Finn’ even mean? Quinn certainly isn’t referencing any other love interest she’s had in the past, Puck is ancient history and Jesse is definitely out of the picture. And Rachel hasn’t had anyone else on her radar all year. If Quinn was only looking for confirmation that Rachel is indeed in love with Finn, it would have been something more along the lines of, ‘When you were singing, I could see how much you love Finn.’ NOT ASK ALL COYLY IF THAT SONG WAS ABOUT FINN AND ONLY FINN.
Part of me thinks Quinn is so quick to support Rachel, so that Quinn is in the audiences good books, so later on when she gets hit by a truck we all feel appropriately sad. N.B. She could be the biggest villain and I would still feel shattered by her getting hit by a truck.
And on the other hand…. in my perfectly sculpted Faberry haven, it’s all to do with Quinn not properly recognising what her exact feelings for Rachel are. Do I think Quinn loves Rachel? Yes. Do I think Quinn knows that? No. I’m not saying it’s the kind of love of epic proportions, but I do believe it’s the kind of love that could lead to that. Which has been shown in the way that Rachel has been able to get through to Quinn when no one else could, even when they didn’t even consider themselves friends. How often do you listen to, or take advice from, people that you don’t like? Or think about their future and care about them achieving it to the point of frustration? The point is, is that they’ve always meant something to each other. And we all have that one person in our lives who will always just be important to us, no matter what. That’s the best way I can describe what I see Quinn and Rachel being to each other. And because I have trouble defining what they are, I can see why Quinn has trouble with it too. So when she doesn’t get any sort of indication that Rachel could possibly feel something more for her, she let’s it go immediately and resigns herself to the fact that her feelings must just be friendly. And as a friend, if Rachel isn’t going to change her mind, all she can do is support her and hope for the best.
I honestly don’t feel like Quinn would have been as opposed to any of the others if they announced they were getting married, as she has showed towards Rachel.
Also, despite Finn being the one she was friends with first, and dated twice, she never once went to Finn and talked about what this meant for his future. Nope. It was all about Rachel for Quinn.
The hug was gorgeous, and I loved that it was a mirror image of their previous hug in the fabathroom, because this time we got to see Quinn’s face! And I just adore how Rachel should be the lower hugging participant due to her shorter stature, but she just has to scoot on up there and wrap her arms around Quinn’s neck. And. Quinn’s face.
And I really do mean it when I say it won’t bother me if they never take the romantic route with Faberry. First and foremost I ship their friendship, because I think it’s beautiful and perhaps the only relationship on the show that has been handled with care for the entirety of the 3 seasons.
They just happen to fit really well together though, and I would hate to see that go to waste…
And QuinnTears/RachelsPresence is happening again.
Sophy says: Quinn always fucking cries. I bet she’d cry when they made love. And then cry while she wrote a poem about it. And cry while she read it aloud to the Glee club but really only to Rachel. Etc.
When I first watched this scene, I didn’t appreciate it properly. That is because I was actually screaming at Rin about all the angry things inside me whilst Quinn was saying things that are basically code for Take care of my heart, won’t you please.
But on eleventh or twelfth rewatch and after a good night’s sleep, well… I’m still angry. But I’m also horribly in love.
Basically if this scene and I were TV characters, people would post lots of mildly pornographic manips of us on tumblr and say we should have “hate sex”.
I guess the big issue for me is that the bridal shop scene was cut from the episode. With the bridal shop scene included, I suspect I would feel only love (and some fear) during this scene. Because as I mentioned above, alone this scene feels dangerously close to a flat-out sanctioning of the teen wedding, and that is just not okay with me. However, if I remind myself that there was supposed to be a scene in there where Quinn objected vigorously, just as she objected vigorously when first told about the proposal, then I see this scene not as a sanctioning, but as an act of kindness – and act of love.
Never have I been more convinced that Quinn Fabray loves Rachel Berry as I am whilst watching this scene. Except perhaps whilst watching that scene in 311 in which she told her all the opposite things. Because Quinn cares enough – deeply – to go out on a limb and tell unpopular truths. And that is not something that many people do in these situations. When I saw the promo with the bridal shop scene in it, I was reminded of how I had this whole conversation with a friend of mine – no, multiple conversations – about her relationship with her husband, during which I concluded that he was absolutely, without doubt, an abusive fuck that she should get away from. But I knew that if I said that out loud, things would get messy – she might be angry – I might be embarrassed – the whole me-and-her-and-everyone-we-have-in-common thing might go to awkward shit. So I made a few halfheartedly leading comments about getting couples counseling and left it at that. I’m not a bad person. And I do care about my friend. But I wasn’t willing to go to that scary place, the way Quinn was for Rachel. And, you know, that, to me, means two things: Quinn is a better person than I am. Or Quinn loves Rachel as more than just a friend.
I think it’s likely to be a combination of both.
(Please note, I’m not trying to insinuate that Finn is an abusive fuck to Rachel. It was an analogy, pure and simple. Having said that, I did want to kick him in the balls in this episode. More on that later.)
Anyway, so. We’ve established that Quinn loves Rachel enough to risk Rachel loving her less. Which is a big damn selfless kind of deal. But with this scene we also see that Quinn loves Rachel enough to know that when her mind is made up, her mind is made up – and even if she can’t respect the decision, she has to respect the human being Rachel is. And she has to be a hand for her to hold – no matter what – through anything – always.
I guess it just dazzles me to see that Quinn cares more about Rachel’s future than her own dads and yet at the same time respects her more than they do too. Because she didn’t try to play games. Like Rachel said, she could depend on Quinn for a straightforward answer when she went to her for advice and that was precisely what she got. She got Quinn’s honest opinion, straight from her heart, no filter, no treating her like a child who needs to be manipulated rather than communicated with. And when Rachel didn’t budge? Quinn conceded. She respected her enough to trust that she had listened and understood. And that was enough – or at least, it was all she could hope for.
Basically Quinn and Rachel love and respect each other more than anyone loves or respects anyone else on this whole damn show. I mean that. I stand by that. Thank you and goodnight.
Except wait. I just realized I’ve spent so much time discussing the Faberry friendship that I have completely by-passed the Faberry GAY.
BECAUSE YOU GUYS.
THERE WAS SO MUCH GAY IN THIS SCENE THAT I CAN’T.
I completely agree with Rin that the phrasing of the question about who Rachel was singing to was way, way off base if they want me to believe that Quinn has platonic-only feelings for Rachel. It’s not something you ask in the first place, and you certainly don’t pause about it and gaze meaningfully about it and have your eyes fill with tears about it and all that. I also loved how beautifully Quinn asking that question jives with the number of times that I’ve watched her singing and thought ‘Wow. Way too much of this is with, for, about Rachel Berry.’ Quinn just barely lets herself wonder whether Rachel might possibly, impossibly be singing a little bit to her… because she is always singing a little bit to Rachel.
Or, you know, sometimes it’s a lot bit. To Rachel.
So there’s that gay.
And then, you know, just the fact that Quinn stalks out in her cheerleader outfit, immediately finds Rachel in the Faballway, and poses, hands on hips, asks her how she looks.
I mean, I’m not saying no female friend has ever innocently asked another female friend how they look. That happens all the time. But it was the way she asked it. It was so freaking coy, you guys. And just look at her face. No really, scroll up, and go look at her face when Rachel turns to look at her. Tell me that is the look of pure friendship. Tell me she is not flirting her fucking face off despite herself like she always does with Rachel Berry.
TELL ME THAT. AND TELL ME SHE IS NOT GASPING AT BEING PULLED INTO RACHEL BERRY’S ARMS.
I dare you.
In conclusion, Quinn ‘Oh I guarantee you have’ Fabray looked awfully thoughtful when told that Karofsky tried to kill himself because he couldn’t handle being outed.
And while we’re on that subject. I would be happy with Faberry remaining a special kind of friendship. But I would also be happy with Quinn revealing that she’s GAY AS A WINDOW.
And you know what the worst argument in the world is? “They already have enough lesbians.” Because you know what, even if there were more than one lesbian on the show, that would still be bullshit. What is there a quota? It’s the same argument people made about Minky, as though just by virtue of it involving two females, it was somehow a repeat of Naomily. Glee, I have to say, is the one show that I would hope would never buy into the ‘We have enough lesbians’ argument. So if they never go there with Quinn, I really hope it’s for completely other reasons.
And meanwhile, we have only one lesbian and one bisexual female, versus four gay male characters. I think we could balance that out a little and nobody would mind.
Well… I wouldn’t mind.
Best ‘Brittany is random’ Moment
“I want Lord Tubbington to kick his Ecstasy addiction.”
Rin says: Oh Britts. Love. Just love.
And while we’re at it, I really really loved Santana’s answer about looking forward to when her grandmother loves her again. Which, is completely unresolved and I would love to revisit that again. Unfortunately I don’t see that happening with all of this Karofsky stuff taking precedence, so we can probably assume Santana is now completely fine and dandy with her sexuality and has no further struggles! Cause it’s Karofsky’s turn! And this conveniently leads us into the next category…
Sophy says: OH BRITTANY. Lord Tubbington is the best TV cat since that angry, stuffed one on Sabrina.
And Rin, you speak the truth, Santana’s happy shiny future moment really touched my heart, and made me hope we get to see it on screen. But you know, we might be too busy watching Karofsky and his grandmother work on their relationship, I don’t know.
Rophy Says No!
“Quinn, please. Sure, you had a baby when you were 16 and you had a bad dye job for two weeks, but seriously? The world never stopped loving you. And you’re going to Yale. You have no idea what Karofsky was struggling with.”
Rin says: There’s been a few times when Kurt has rubbed me the wrong way, but on the whole I love him dearly. But right now? I want to rip him to fucking shreds. I will take one of your stylish boots mister, and beat you to death with it.
Cause, wow. Fucking out of line, much??
I get that Quinn has harsh opinions on suicide. And considering her upbringing, I can see why. But she was expressing her opinions in a safe environment where they could talk things out without judgement or ridicule.
It was incredibly rude of Kurt to barge in and trivialise everything that Quinn has gone through.
My reaction was very much similar to Quinn’s.. utter disbelief that Kurt was trying to compare. But I was seeing a lot more RED. Put in Quinn’s shoes I wouldn’t have been able to let it go as easily as she did.
Cause fuck you Kurt. You say that Quinn has no idea what Karofsky was struggling with, but you don’t realise that YOU have no idea what QUINN was struggling with. It works both fucking ways.
And I’m pretty sure we discussed this in our Mash-Off recap, because it’s utterly mind-blowing that Glee is adamant about homosexuality being the ‘hardest’ thing that someone has to deal with. That nothing could ever compare, and how dare you try?
My views on pain and hardship is that it’s all relatively the same. Pain is pain. And everyone has their own thing. And don’t be silly, I’m not saying being called stupid is the same as being subjected to homophobia.
To be honest, this ‘being a gay teen is the hardest and you couldn’t possibly understand because you’re straight!’ frustrates me. And if I’m speaking candidly, it frustrates me because it’s myopic and backwards. And I’m fully aware that a lot of you reading this right now are more than likely gay, and I hope you’re not taking this as some kind of commentary on you. Because it’s really not, and I hope you can at least try to see what I’m saying. Because we’re all equal, right? We’re all human. I don’t think being gay makes you anything. And we’re constantly battling for gay rights and equality. And yet somehow when it comes to the struggles of gay teens, we’re no longer equal. Kurt is allowed to get on his high-unicorn and talk about how nothing Quinn’s had to deal with in the past will ever allow her to understand what it could be like to struggle with your sexuality and the stigma’s that come with that.
“Despair. Self-loathing.” I’m sorry, you think Quinn didn’t feel those things? Ya know, like when she gave up her child? I mean, is there anyone who hasn’t felt despair or self-loathing? There aren’t a special set of emotions for different sexualities. Just like love is love, despair is despair.
The more we let ourselves think that we’re misunderstood and alone, the more we’re going to continue to be misunderstood and alone. There’s no room for progress. Don’t just say ‘you have no idea’ .. it’s beyond condescending and implies that you’ll never be able to grasp and understand. Which then leads to, ‘so don’t even try.’ Which, on the one hand you’re saying, ‘there’s nothing wrong with being gay, it doesn’t make me any different from you,’ and on the other it’s, ‘but you’ll never understand what it’s like.’ They’re conflicting ideas.
I just feel like Kurt went about it in the wrong way. I mean, he’s the guest here, and it’d be nice if he didn’t just start attacking his friend when it could have been dealt in a more mature and compassionate way.
And what the fuck does, ‘And you’re going to Yale’ even mean?? Oh right, cause she worked hard throughout high school and got into a good college, she has no right to ever feel bad about anything ever.
Screw you Kurt.
Sophy says: Remember how pissed I was at Sam for his throwaway ‘Rich white girl problems’ comment in 308?
Multiply that by a thousand.
Just watching this scene a second time in order to write about it was tough for me. Because there’s nothing I hate more than when a favourite character of mine starts spewing vile, pompous, idiotic shit at another favourite character of mine.
I’m not going to lie. Kurt’s whole overblown cry-faced sympathy hard-on for Karofsky really rubbed me the wrong way in this episode. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be sad for him, but quite frankly, all the trite I feel responsible stuff coming out of his mouth was just nauseating. In fact, Karofsky really did a number on everyone in this episode – there was a whole wave of OOC going on and it all seemed to stem from him. And no, I’m not saying that something as shocking and tragic as a young man trying to kill himself due to homophobic cruelty wouldn’t or shouldn’t bring out the best in people. But come on. Sue Sylvester was practically getting the hairshirt out, and Meerkat face went from evil smirks to fond smiles in 3, 2, 1. It was too much, and it felt manipulative and preachy to me.
But that is neither here nor there. Regardless of Kurt’s general response to Karofsky’s situation, what I’m specifically unhappy about is his tirade against Quinn.
His whole speech is condescending, arrogant and short-sighted, and actually, you know what? It was mostly just “harsh and reductive”. But I think the real kicker is throwing in that she had a bad dye job for two weeks. Because really, Kurt? Mocking people’s pain is your thing now? Oh no wait. Only some people’s pain. Karofsky’s gets all the respect in the world because… what? He bullied you? He thinks he’s in love with you? He’s gay? He considers suicide an option in a way Quinn doesn’t?
I honestly don’t know which of those is supposed to be Kurt’s motivation, or whether it’s a mixture of all four.
But let me say this: a suicide attempt is not the ultimate benchmark for misery. By which I mean simply that people who don’t attempt suicide don’t necessarily do so because they are suffering less than people who do. For some people, as for Quinn, there is an ideological impediment that doesn’t allow them to see it as an option. She thinks it’s selfish. She thinks it’s punitive. She thinks it’s wrong.
Now I don’t necessarily agree with her. I think suicide is one of those things that can be x and can be y. It all comes down to the particular circumstances, and you know what, I can actually fully understand why Karofsky tried to go there given the velocity with which his world was falling apart. If he were a character I’d known and loved since day one, I’d probably have been clutching my heart all the way through this episode. As it is, I feel bad for him.
Like Quinn feels bad for him. The thing is that she was not attacking anyone here. She was just trying to work through her own feelings about something as huge and controversial as the rights and wrongs of taking your own life. And like Rin says, she was doing it in a safe place.
I think it’s great that Teen Jesus invited an atheist like Kurt to the meeting. But I think that if Kurt can’t respect that many Christians believe suicide is wrong, and at least be something approaching polite, then he should get the fuck out.
Bottom line: what he said was stupid and rude, but it was also just plain fucking mean. And I was honestly shocked at the maturity Quinn showed in not responding to it when Rin and I would be pulling his boots off and clubbing.
And okay I’m going to weigh in on the tricky issue of the whole ‘gay pain > your other inferior pain’ vibe that’s going on.
I really want to interpret this scene differently. I really want to say to myself that Kurt just thinks Quinn couldn’t possibly understand Karofsky’s suffering because she’s never tried to kill herself. Now that would be flat-out wrong in my view… but it would be less gross than saying Quinn couldn’t possibly understand Karofsky’s suffering because she hasn’t been bullied due to her sexuality. And unfortunately, given that Kurt appears to think he could understand, and as far as we know, has never considered suicide, but has been bullied due to his sexuality, that is the vibe that comes across.
I think it was pretty well established that Quinn was bullied at school prior to coming to McKinley and changing her image. And even if she hadn’t been, she’s been through a range of painful experiences in the time we’ve known her that, as Rin points out, would most certainly amount to despair, self-loathing. I’ve seen that despair and self-loathing, you guys. It’s been a pretty big theme of Quinn’s whole journey, so much so that it’s been almost weird to see her happy and confident over these last few episodes. Because it’s only when she came up for air that you realized how deep down in depression she has been for pretty much ever. She has suffered. A lot. And it makes me sick when people try to diminish that because she’s pretty or because she’s white or because she comes from a wealthy family or because she’s straight or whatever.
I’m very much with Quinn – when it comes to emotional distress, comparing is just stupid and petty. And saying that one is worse than the other because it has to do with sexuality… I think that’s just arbitrary and divisive.
Everyone’s experience is different. As in every single person in the whole world experiences that world differently from every single other person. We can never know how much something hurts, just as we can never know that what we are both pointing to and calling green is actually green. It’s not something we can quantify or contrast. All we can do is be open to understanding other people’s experiences and try to draw on our own to do so. And you know what? It seems to me that Quinn’s the one who’s making the effort to do that here. Whereas Kurt? He’s just idealizing his what he sees as his own special kind of pain – and dismissing someone else’s out of hand.
Warblers x 2
Rin says: I could maybe have dealt with one Warbler song, I mean they are the competition so we have to see them perform. But TWO songs? In an episode where a pivotal scene, pivotal enough to include in the episode promo, gets cut due to time restraints? And they give us TWO SONGS? One of them could have easily been cut and no one would have noticed or missed it. I mean, the Trouble Tones didn’t even get two songs when they performed at Sectionals. And it’s not like we haven’t seen the Warblers/Meerkat perform this season, so yeah, it wasn’t necessary. Especially when it’s a song performance that has no importance to the plot and could have been uploaded afterwards for the zero people who want to watch it. I mean, I got sick of the Warblers when Blaine was still their captain, so.
When so much is happening in an episode, because it was the penultimate episode for a 5-6 episode arc, I just don’t have the patience for there to be filler. We’ve had to put up with the ridiculous Finchel engagement and I would have liked to have seen more of a resolution — or at least the working towards that resolution — for that, than watch a performance by a bunch of unknowns and a character who got introduced 9 episodes ago. IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK? TO HAVE PROGRESSION FOR OUR MAIN CHARACTERS?
And whilst I’m harping on about how they wasted a lot of time, I wish they pushed back the Karofsky storyline. Because whilst I thought it was pretty heavy-handed, I honestly wouldn’t have minded it as much if it had its own episode. I mean, I can see how there’s a place for his story in the Glee-verse. So I figured they would always go there eventually, but did it have to be now? Because to me, the episode was a scattered mess. I was constantly checking how much time was left, because they couldn’t possibly fit everything in under 10 minutes, could they? But that’s apparently what they did!
I felt as much sympathy for Karofsky as you’re supposed to for a television character you don’t particularly like. I probably would have felt more if I wasn’t wondering what everyone else was up to. And if Kurt wasn’t in a constant state of ‘BUT IT WAS ALL MY FAULT! ‘
Sophy says: By the time we got to the Warblers’ second song I started assuming they must be going to win, because why the hell else would we have to see so much of their set? And then I started wondering just how artificially dull and charmless they were going to have to make the New Directions performances to make that stick. Because.
Basically this was a big waste of time, in an episode that really couldn’t afford to be wasting time. I can deal with things getting cut, when I can see how it was necessary. It wasn’t necessary in this episode. That bugs.
Like Rin said, even the Trouble Tones didn’t get this much screentime at sectionals, and okay, I may not have been that enamored of that whole plotline, but the group was still partially comprised of main character that we know and love. They certainly deserved more respect than the Warblers minus Blaine plus Meerkat?
And just on the Trouble Tones. I was honestly confused for the longest time during that second New Directions song, before I worked out that… it wasn’t the New Directions. It was the Trouble Tones. And really? Since the hell when was that part of the deal? I would have been fine with Mercedes and Santana getting a song on which they sang lead and were backed up by their female New Directions members, but why the hell did all the randoms have to be their back up instead? It was just weird and doubtless contrary to the spirit of the competition having what was essentially another group performing one of the songs. Plus it had this unpleasant vibe of ‘Hey thanks for letting us sing in your group, no you cannot sing in ours.’
Sophy says no to that.
Head In Hands
“I’m looking forward to graduating from Yale at the top of my class.”
“I’m looking forward to being friends with all of you for the rest of my life.”
Rin says: Now I feel like Glee is just teasing us. And I’m okay with that as long as they keep giving us looks like this.
I loved how Quinn’s answer wasn’t just, graduating from Yale, it was graduating from Yale at the top of my class. Like the baller she is. AND YOU WILL QUINN. I’ll be damned if a little truck is going to stop you. And Rachel’s face! Full of pride and happiness for Quinn’s excitement about her future. I don’t think anyone saw just how frightened of the future Quinn was other than Rachel. It was a nice acknowledgement of how far they’ve come, and how Rachel has played a major part in that.
AND RACHEL’S ANSWER. OH MY HEART. So adorable. That’s the thing about Rachel, I’ve always seen her as being a pretty lonely kid growing up, and the Glee Club are the only real friends she’s ever had. And she’s not afraid to show them how much they all mean to her, even if they think she might be lame or overly dramatic by saying so. And then the small smiles Rachel and Quinn share? Sweet. So sweet.
I quite enjoyed this moment between the Glee Club and Mr Shue. I thought it was a nice touch, and not too overboard. I like that Will emphasised how everyone has something that might take them to the edge, and that he showed his genuine love for these kids. And I absolutely love any moment that brings all of these kids together in a moment of humility, reiterating how much of a family they’ve all become for each other.
OH MY GLEE BABIES. YOU’RE ALL SHINY AND PERFECT.
Wasn’t it in this episode that there was one of those hinty spoilers that said Quinn would find out who she wanted to spend the ‘rest of her life’ with? Hmmm. Intriguing.
Also, Chord and Dianna could easily play siblings in the future. They could even play twins ffs.
Sophy says: You know there are ways in which this is the worst episode ever, and then there are ways in which this is the best episode ever. This is one of the latter ways.
Quinn’s confidence and ambition was beautiful to see. And Rachel’s obvious pride in that confidence and ambition? That just pretty much makes me want to run around the room screaming. But if I’d done that I would have missed Rachel saying the sweetest thing ever and proving what I’d always believed – that Rachel’s journey is not about being a star and falling in love with Finn Hudson – it is about being a star and falling in love with the whole Glee club. They are more and better friends than she would ever have hoped to call hers in that pilot episode. And it feels completely right to hear her say she’s excited about spending the rest of her life with them, in an episode where anyone would expect her to be crooning about spending the rest of her life with the man she’s going to marry.
And you know, looking back, I wonder if this is where the maybe popped into Quinn’s head. I wonder if this is the moment when she thought perhaps, if she talked to Rachel, she could change her mind. I wonder if the rest of my life and all of you… was the tiny spark from which It’s only him… right? flamed.
You know, I have to say that I also liked Will’s speech about the day he felt close to suicide. It’s so easy for people to mock it, because cheating on a test seems like such a trivial thing. But the problem is that it’s not just the cheating on the test. It’s the particular relationship a person has with their father – it’s whatever just happens to be the wagon to which they’ve hooked This is who I am.
It doesn’t matter how trivial it might seem to someone like Puck. It was a big deal for Will. And I really like that this scene gave us some insight into the whole ‘pain is relative’ deal.
“And for those of you who maybe weren’t the biggest fans of our impending nuptials, we thank you also.”
Rin says: Um. That last Quinn sparked something deep within us. In the way where one day we’re totally going to have a Top Ten Quinn Glory Shots and that is going to make it to NUMBER ONE. With a million trophies etched in its honour.
It’s just, the epitome of glory shot ffs.
I love how whenever they mention the wedding, it always cuts to a shot of Quinn looking on forlornly. It’s like ‘wedding’ ‘OH MY GOD, IS QUINN OKAY?!??!?!!’
Honestly at this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if somewhere down the track it’s revealed that Quinn loves Rachel.
Sophy says: You know how I said it’s been weird to see Quinn so confident and happy? It’s even weirder to see her get that miserable, faraway look in her eyes again suddenly. Gosh, I wonder what spurred that. I might have to go back and watch this scene again to check.
OH RIGHT. RACHEL MARRYING FINN.
Christ Quinn. be more obvious.
Also that cap. I don’t.
And you know how I said earlier that there wasn’t enough Santana/Quinn for Quinn to be dead? This still isn’t anywhere near enough, but holy god is it adorable…
SHE’S CLAPPING HER HAND.
AND I JUST.
Rin says: Quite possibly the cutest thing I have ever seen in my life.
To be honest I didn’t even notice Santana was clapping Quinn’s hand until Sophy pointed it out, and I die.
This would be our engagement present to that so-called Finchel.
Rin says: Although, we’d most definitely give him man-boobs.
Also, I’ve seen what Sophy can do to people in photoshop. And let’s just say, it was horrific and I wish I had never seen such a thing in my life. You won’t even be able to imagine what it could have been.
Sophy says: I’ve done some bad, bad things.
I’d have to dig deep to top my personal worst, but I would. Just for Finchel.
Quinn Glory Shot
Going to the chapel and we’re…
Rin says: Lol. They hit my baby Quinn with a truck.
You do realise, with Rachel being a moron for the past few episodes, Quinn has been my favourite one?
And they hit her with a truck.
Cause you know, it’s not like she went through all this crap and managed to turn her life around and was finally starting to become the person she always wanted to be. Nope. Might as well hit her with a truck!
Oh and! Let’s have it be because she was TEXTING WHILST DRIVING! Yay!
Oh come on Glee! It’s bad enough you wanted to truck her, but did you really have to have it be because she wasn’t paying attention cause she was texting? That’s just cruel.
Like. I just. She’s like a freaking Labrador puppy.. AND GLEE KICKED THE PUPPY YOU GUYS. THEY KICKED. THE PUPPY.
I mean, I don’t need to tell you guys how upsetting this is. You know how deep my love runs.
So let’s talk about the scene as a whole.
I LAUGH at how it starts with Finn being all mushy saying, “I just want to take a second just to remember this. Us.” AND RACHEL IS JUST LIKE, SHUTUP FINN, QUINN’S MESSAGING ME. SHE’S GONNA BE HERE SOON
And then The Dixie Cups – Chapel of Love starts playing, and honestly I kind of love everything that follows. If I forget about everything that angered me about this episode, and just watch this scene for what it is, I have to applaud Glee because it’s so nicely put together. I loved that as soon as the song started play, my heart dropped and I was filled with a sense of dread. And as soon as you saw Quinn driving in the car — you knew. And the juxtaposition of the incredibly joyful and bouncy tune, against feeling sick to your stomach works really well.
Rachel is beyond frantic as she stalls her WEDDING for Quinn Fabray. Do we even need to talk about the subtext? It’s probably not even subtext, because it’s a fact. Rachel doesn’t want to get married without Quinn there. When Finn tells her “It’s now or never.” (WHICH, WTF DO YOU MEAN NEVER? You can postpone you know) she doesn’t turn around and pick up her bouquet of flowers, she turns around and picks up her phone and texts Quinn again. She needs Quinn Fabray at her wedding. And I think probably my favourite thing is how there’s a room full of people, 17 other people, and they’re all just standing there as if Rachel wanting to wait for Quinn is the most normal thing in the world. “What’s going on?” “Rachel won’t get married until Quinn’s here.” “Oh okay. Let’s go get some coffee.”
The fanwanky part of me can boil it down to Rachel needing Quinn to be okay with her decision. Because she can’t imagine ever doing something without Quinn’s support. If she’s going to be friends with her for the rest of her life then she needs to be at her freaking wedding! And if I get even fanwankier (which believe me, there are many levels), I can talk about how Rachel wants Quinn there to be given one last chance to talk her out of it.
Which BY THE WAY. I feel like this is My Best Friend’s Wedding. Quinn is Julia Roberts and Rachel is Dermot Mulroney, and Finn is Cameron Diaz and it’s all just a mess! I mean, what’s the iconic scene from that movie? I say a little prayer…..
A dreamy, dreamy tangent.
I love how Rachel’s texts are similar to that of Lea’s tweets with the superfluous use of punctuation marks. I bet it wasn’t even in the script to put any question marks. And let’s try to overlook the major flaw that on Quinn’s phone it says that she receives Rachel’s first message at 4.14pm. And I love how they use stickers to cover up the network provider information on their phones. But I love it when shows use actual phones with real messages — one of my biggest pet peeves is when shows use phones that have an incredibly fake display. It just annoys me.
I think it’s a bit of genius how Quinn texts ‘ON MY WAY’ and it’s the last line of the episode, that is so aptly named. I kind of love how it’s in all caps too, like she’s just shouting back at Rachel.
And I’m usually not a fan of major accidents for the sake of drama, but I have thought a lot about it. And if they play their cards right, this could lead to a potentially heart-fulfilling end of season. I can’t believe we have to wait 7 weeks to see how it all plays out. Ghost Quinn? Coma Quinn? Because I refuse to believe that Dianna Agron has been written out of the show. It simply isn’t an option.
And whether you’re aware of Quinn’s fate or not, please try not to spoil it for others in the comments.
Sophy says: Yeah.
If Quinn Fabray is dead or in a wheelchair for the rest of her life, I’m going to be very, very angry.
With that out of the way, there are a lot of reasons I love this ending.
Basically the whole entire thing reeks of Rachel the distressed bride and… Quinn the missing groom. I mean. Come on. Going to the Chapel starts playing for Finn and Rachel, but quickly cuts to Quinn in the car. On her way. To get married. With those lyrics. Except the people who are getting married are already there. OR ARE THEY?
Basically the whole thing is just a brilliant subliminal mindfuck of gay, gay, gay, and okay, maybe the writers’ tongues are firmly in their cheeks, maybe they’re just trolling the hell out of us with all this, but even if they are…
OH FABERRY. I WISH I KNEW HOW TO QUIT YOU.
Let me just say this. Rachel wants to marry Finn. She is, in fact, utterly determined to marry Finn, as soon as possible. Quinn thinks this is a bad idea – in fact, she appears to personally hate this idea – but she comes through for Rachel and offers her support. Because she cannot change her mind.
But then something ironic happens. We’re at the registry office, and Finn is saying “Now or never,” and Rachel? Rachel is seriously considering never.
Because of Quinn Fabray.
How poetic is that?
And yes, I know that Finn’s ‘never’ is a load of rubbish, and that Rachel waiting for Quinn will not prevent her from marrying Finn in five minutes, ten minutes, an hour, the next day if need be. But it’s the symbolism that is so beautiful.
And such a fucking tease.
Unless of course they’re actually going to follow through and have the fact that Rachel turned away from Finn and started texting Quinn mean she chose never and never is a real thing that means I never ever have to see Finchel going to the chapel again?
Meanwhile, I need to talk about Finn. Because the way he was pressuring Rachel to hurry up and get hitched when she was clearly unhappy and wanted to wait? That was just not okay and spoke volumes about why they should not be doing this at all. Here is what someone who should be marrying Rachel Berry would say: “Rachel, I know we booked the justice of the peace, but you seem uncomfortable doing this without your friend. We can wait as long as you like – don’t rush yourself – I want you to feel 100% happy in all of this.”
SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
WOULD BE APPROPRIATE?
And don’t even get me started on his utter fuckery earlier in the episode. He honestly thinks Rachel should consider not singing at Regionals so some jerk doesn’t post a manip of him on the internet? I just… I’m not saying it’s nice to have people post things like that, but at the same time, it’s very clear that the image is not real, and Meerkat face would be very sue-able if he decided to go through with it. There are a number of other ways to try to prevent or resolve the situation, and the idea that he wants Rachel not performing to be on the table?
It just shows how very right and reasonable it is for people to say that being in a relationship with Finn – especially a marriage – has the potential to hold Rachel back in her career. Because there it is. Case in point. And okay, Finn comes to talk to Rachel about it later and appears to realize the error of his ways, but by that time he has already guilt-tripped her into giving up, and I swear you guys, when the words “So I’m not going to perform at Regionals” came out of Rachel’s mouth I thought I was going to vomit up the universe.
It doesn’t matter that she did end up performing. The words alone are enough to be serious cause for concern. It doesn’t matter that Finn ended up seeing sense – the fact that it took somebody’s suicide attempt to get him there is serious cause for concern.
And let’s please note that things are equally shitty on Finn’s end of the deal. I can’t be the only one who literally cringed when Rachel said she had to sing at Regionals because their future depended on it. She basically identified herself as the breadwinner and Finn as the useless part of the group – and that fell right in behind her awkward pause in the last episode when trying to identify what Finn might be doing while she was becoming a star. As much as I think Finn has the potential to wind up being really bad for Rachel, I also think Rachel has the potential to be really bad for Finn.
If this episode showed me anything about Finchel, it showed me that they should not be getting married. Because they’re too young. But not just because they’re too young.
Given some of their interaction in this episode, I wouldn’t be supporting this union if they were 40.
You knew I was thinking it.