Quinn Fabray is best song. Shhh. Don’t question it.
Rin says: Here we go guys. Here we fucking go.
First up, I know we shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds us, but JFC COULDN’T THEY HAVE UPLOADED IT AT A HIGHER RESOLUTION? The low quality makes me want to weep.
Second up, my thoughts exactly Quinn. MTE.
Except I don’t think any of us were nearly as sick to our stomachs as Quinn was feeling right here. And I love it. I absolutely love it because it’s so telling. To me, Quinn’s heart is racing, and her mind is running over the massive list of pros and cons she has been putting together ever since Rachel told her Finn asked her to marry him. And the list isn’t about whether Rachel should marry Finn, no no, there was never a doubt in Quinn’s mind that Rachel shouldn’t marry Finn. It’s about whether or not she should confront Rachel. And not in the way she has done in the past, in a, ‘it’s me or him’ kind of way. And GOD. We’ll talk more about that later, but right now this is Quinn psyching herself up for battle. That she has to say something or else she’d regret it.
So she takes a deep breath in.
And decides Rachel is worth the risk.
Sophy says: RACHEL IS WORTH THE RISK.
RACHEL IS WORTH THE RISK. RACHEL IS WORTH THE RISK.
RACHEL. IS. WORTH. THE. RISK.
I’m calm. I’m caaaaaaaalm.
Seriously though, you guys. In all fake calmness. This is my favourite thing about Faberry. This thing where Quinn is billed as “the most selfish person I’ve ever met,” as this uptight, stuck up, broken up princess who doesn’t understand what love is at all… and yet she loves Rachel so right. She loves Rachel so selflessly.
Loving someone means wanting their happiness. Really fucking loving someone means wanting their happiness even if it’s at the expense of yours. It would be so much easier for Quinn to just let this go. Kurt did. All the other girls are. Not one of them cares enough about Rachel to go out on a limb here. But Quinn does. Quinn cares so damn much about Rachel Berry and her beautiful future that she will stand up in front of everyone and tell her what she thinks – honestly – no hiding – no holding back. And she’ll take the consequences.
It’s a fine line: it’s selfless to speak up when keeping quiet would be so much more pleasant. But it’s selfish to try to control someone – it’s selfish to withhold friendship because you don’t agree with a friend’s choices. Quinn knows that. And she so deftly makes the transition later in the episode in the faballway. This scene proves that I was right in my interpretation of that scene – that Quinn’s disapproval of the Finchel wedding was deeply rooted and that the only reason she was telling Rachel she wanted to support her in it was because she had exhausted every avenue to dissuade her from it. At that point it was just petty and unkind to hold out any longer.
And excuse me while I go into some raptures about how proud I am of Quinn Fabray and how far she’s come. This is really difficult emotional terrain: someone she cares about is making a huge mistake and asking her to be a part of it. It’s a minefield. And Quinn handles it masterfully – perfectly – right down to getting hit by a truck before anyone could say I do.
By the way I’ve just realised how similar this whole plot is to Edward, Bella and Jacob’s shenanigans in Eclipse. Quinn should have tried threatening suicide if Rachel wouldn’t kiss her. It would have been the best.
(Finn could stay in the tent and cry.)
Rin says: BTW. My head canon for this moment is that Quinn can’t even bring herself to look at Rachel walking out in her bridal gown, but right at the last second she can’t help herself and takes a peek. Seriously, go back and watch it again you guys.
Sophy says: OMG SHE DID PEEK. THAT’S WHY SHE GOT HIT BY THE TRUCK. IT’S BAD LUCK FOR THE GROOM TO SEE THE BRIDE IN HER DRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“I think I found it…I think I found the one!”
“Finn better be the one, ’cause I’m not doing this twice.”
“No, no, not Finn. The dress!”
Rin says: I’m sorry, but if there isn’t a bigger indication than this right here, that the whole Finchel wedding was a huge mistake, than I don’t know what is.
It just goes to show how Rachel was wanting to marry Finn for all the wrong reasons. And that more and more it was becoming less about Finn, and more about the idea of it all. That somehow marrying Finn would give her an identity, a purpose, something to hold onto. So it’s no surprise that she completely dismisses Finn and focuses on the dress. The aesthetics. Because it’s mostly all for show anyway, right?
Sophy says: Quinn nailed Rachel. Um. She nailed her psychology, I mean. Rachel said yes to Finn because she thought NYADA said no to her. She did it out of fear. And then the moment she did get the letter she went into overdrive convincing herself and the whole world that she would never make such a big decision for such weak, childish, silly reasons. She had to insist.
“I’ve never been more certain about anything my entire life.”
That’s bullshit. Says the Freudian slip above. Says Rachel’s whole narrative arc. But she has to say it, because if she doesn’t she’ll be showing weakness and Quinn will pounce.
And if Quinn pounces…
Okay wow, I’m just going to take a moment to enjoy the mental image of Quinn running up and pouncing on Rachel in her wedding dress.
It’s the best.
Ironically, I think if Rachel hadn’t gotten a NYADA letter she would have found it much easier to call off the engagement herself instead of waiting for Finn to do it. That is, once that initial shock of being rejected had subsided – once she’d realised her dreams weren’t dead just because some jerk in some office somewhere read over her CV and decided she couldn’t sing. It would have been simpler that way. Because it wouldn’t have made her wrong, selfish, not-because-of-Finn reasons for saying yes in the first place so clear.
Rin says: There are drawings of Quinn pouncing on Rachel. I’ve seen them. They’re good.
“I’m not gonna stand around and watch you ruin your life by marrying Finn Hudson.”
Rin says: Where to. What. Where. Air. Words. Sun. Bright. Pink.
How do I begin.
Okay, first, the music. Just ’cause I’ve seen a lot of people being all ‘WTF IS WITH THE MUSIC’. It’s ‘Going to the chapel’ for those that didn’t pick up on it, and to be honest I don’t like it playing here. Or it should have at least stopped playing when Quinn gets up. Because god damn, that moment needs silence because it’s such a huge moment! Having said that, we don’t know whether or not this would have been the original music they would have used in the episode. They could have chosen something else, or maybe they added it in after.. etc. I also think it’s entirely possible they cut the scene because they didn’t want to repeat the song, so that it’d have more impact later on. WHO KNOWS WHAT KIND OF LOGIC THEY USE. I can’t find any other reason why they wouldn’t keep this scene in the original episode, do you?! It’s only 1.43 minutes. THAT’S THE SECOND WARBLER SONG. Don’t tell me there was time restraints.
Okay and. The scene.
When I first watched, it was before 8am, I was bleary eyed and still in bed, and I was kind of under whelmed. Maybe because I always thought it was just Rachel and Quinn, and that WHY ARE THE OTHERS TALKING WHERE’S FABERRY and maybe it wasn’t as dramatic as I’d envisioned for so long. And then I watched it again, and again, and again, and Quinn was saying all of these beautiful things, and I realised that this is fucking huge. And then I watched it again, and felt like crying.
When Quinn says she tried to reason with her, and even tried being nice about it, whilst getting up from her chair, it made me think about how parents talk to their kids when they’re misbehaving at the shopping centre. And I thought Quinn was going to drag Rachel (or carry) right out of the store and go straight home. And she will get no dessert!
But honestly, Quinn has exhausted all other methods and she hates that it’s had to come to this, that she’ll have to get angry and tell it like it is. And the thing I noticed straightaway is that they used a different take as the one we saw in the original promo. In the promo she was angrier, her voice was raised and she looked just about ready to throw down. Here Quinn is less angry, and more sounding out a desperate plea. Because to put it simply, she can’t. She can’t accept that Rachel, the Rachel she knows, is going to throw her life away by making such a stupid mistake. She knows she’s better than this, knows it in her gut, that Rachel is destined for greater things, and more than anything Quinn wants Rachel to rediscover that. So I like that they used this take (still love the other one! I LOVE THEM ALL!!), because if anything it’s gone beyond anger for Quinn.
All she has left is her belief in Rachel.
And that’s what she uses. Well that, and her balls.
“Rachel, the thing that I admire most about you, is you are a girl that has never apologized for your ambition. You’re the shining star of all of us, like it or not, it’s true. And as we get closer and closer to graduation you keep hiding your life behind this stupid Finn wedding thing? I never pegged Rachel Berry as the girl who’d be too scared to take on the world.”
She called it ‘this stupid Finn wedding thing’ you guysssss. Quinn Fabray, let me marry you. She completely dismisses the wedding as something entirely frivolous and meaningless and Quinn She’s like a kid that can’t find the right words to be insulting.
And now the juice. OH THE JUICE.
I guess what really gets me is that the words that Quinn says is what we’ve always believed Quinn to feel about Rachel. And she said them out loud and suddenly it’s not just a whole bunch of head canon. It’s real.
Quinn admires Rachel. That she’s a girl that never apologises for her ambition — and yet? — not the only thing Quinn admires about Rachel. It’s just the thing she admires most. Which kill me now, because what’s the thing that EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the show tears Rachel down for? Her ambition. And here is Quinn, standing up in front of the others telling Rachel that
she’s just a girl, standing in front of another girl, asking her to love her it’s the one thing she admires most about her. This is why I ship Faberry. RIGHT. THERE.
Everything that everyone else sees, is not what they see in each other. Because there’s the version of ourselves that we show the world, the person we try to be, who we think we should be etc. and then there’s just us. Who we really are. And Quinn and Rachel have always been able to see each other for who they really are. Then they go beyond that and let each other know that they see them, everything that they are, the good and the bad, and like each other all the more for it. That is love.
And you can decide what kind of love you think it is on your own, and I’ll tell you what kind of love it is according to how it’s represented on the show. It’s a love based on respect, honesty, trust, and a determination to do everything in your power to see the other be happy.
Oh and, if you think Quinn skipping out on the wedding isn’t conducive to Rachel’s happiness, you’re forgetting one thing.
She came back. Even after strongly disagreeing with the choice Rachel was making, she put aside her own feelings because Rachel wasn’t going to budge. If this is what Rachel really thinks she wants, then all that Quinn has left is to show her support.
Now please. Tell me. How am I supposed to take any other relationship on the show as a better representation of love, than what these two have for each other?
And, whether you agree or not, that’s okay.
But I’m saying it.
Now, more than ever before, I believe Quinn is in love with Rachel.
The scary, big love kind. The type where she’ll never really feel the same again.
And I haven’t even finished what I want to say.
In trying to understand how others interpret Faberry, and Quinn, i.e. non shippers, I’ve read about how some think Quinn interferes, and that it’s not her place to try and stop the wedding. But I think what most fail to see is that Quinn is right in this situation. She’s just the only one brave enough to say it out loud, because everyone else is thinking it. She’s being the voice of reason because she cares that much, about Rachel and her future, that she was honestly willing to lose their friendship over it. And the beauty of it all, is that they proved Quinn right by having Finn and Rachel break up over what Quinn has been saying all along. That Rachel needs to go and follow her dreams, find out who she is and just live, and to do that freely she needs to do it without Finn.
It’s funny, because for so long we’ve seen Quinn be the one who’s lost, and it was always Rachel telling Quinn she sees so much more in her than Quinn sees herself. And when Quinn finally got it together, they switched. Rachel became the one who was drowning, so Quinn put on a cute little swimming costume, grabbed one of those floaty orange things they use in Baywatch, and made it her job to save Rachel. And that’s what they do for each other. No matter what it takes, they’ll be there for each other.
Prom crowns and metro passes.
Affirmations that the one accomplishment they’re most proud of, is you.
No matter what it takes.
Sophy says: AHAHAHAHAHAHHA “THIS STUPID FINN WEDDING THING”. And I thought “that so-called Finchel” was gold. I love how completely disrespectful she is of this ~union. I know you’re meant to respect your friends and all, but sometimes even the ones you actively fangirl do things that deserve all the eyerolls in the world. Quinn is that Rachel fangirl. This is that time.
Remember the last time. “You are so frustrating.”
Oh Quinn, you had no idea how dark it was going to get before the dawn.
So. This scene.
I like it when Quinn and Rachel are alone together, I really do. But I also like it when Quinn Fabray declares her love in front of everybody, because that never happens. Seriously, this is so rare. The last time I can remember Quinn showing her hand like this in front of everybody was when she supported Rachel’s idea to do original songs and said they should write one together. And at least then she had the foresight to be “faking”.
Here, she’s basically shouting her Sophia-esque devotion to Rachel’s bright future from the rooftops. It’s glorious.
And now let’s talk about the way she’s saying what I’ve been saying for so long. I mean, the day before this scene was released Rin and I recapped 105, and I went on this huge rant about how much it enraged me that Glee felt Rachel needed to be judged for her ambition and taught to put up with things. And then just when I’m thinking how I’m a broken, angry record on this issue, it’s like somebody was finally listening, and suddenly the show’s releasing a clip of Quinn saying ‘It’s okay, I know, it does suck, we get it.’
And the fact that it’s Quinn. The fact that she’s the only one who has ever acknowledged Rachel’s ambition as a good thing – as a fucking amazing thing. Everybody has put Rachel down on this score – every member of that club, including her fiance. And now here’s Quinn, standing up and speaking up for Rachel – for the Rachel that we first met – the one who wanted everything too much – the one who signed her name with a gold star. Here’s Quinn saying that girl was amazing. It’s such a perfect contrast to Finn on prom night telling Rachel what’s amazing is how different she is from that girl – how much he and the rest of the group have been able to change her. And it’s just so perfectly in tune with the way every boyfriend Quinn’s ever had has told her how selfish and vain she is, in one way or another, and Rachel is the only person who has ever said things to her like “You’re a lot better than you know.”
And you know, what Rin is saying is so true – it was kind of a shock to hear Quinn actually articulate what we’ve hypothesized for so long – that she was always in awe of Rachel, that the friendship may be new, but the deep and troubling admiration is not.
And you guys, ONE OF THE THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS QUINN ADMIRES MOST. ONE OF. BECAUSE. I DON’T. Hands up if you wish she’d made a list?
(I bet she does have a list, in a little pink notebook that she hides under her mattress and reads from at night like bedtime prayers.)
Now I’m going to tell you what I love most about this scene. I love the way Quinn turns back to the rest of the girls and says that Rachel is the shining star of them all, whether they like it or not. I love it because it’s true. And I love it because she has the balls to say it. But most of all I love it because it’s laced with a kind of gentle warning, like she’s just turning around to let them all know that yeah, I just said that, and if any of you bitches try to object I will cut you (nicely).
I JUST. SHE’S SO. PROTECTIVE?
And so proud.
Rachel is the best one. There is no room for dissent.
Now I’m going to talk about THE OTHER THING I LOVE MOST ABOUT THIS SCENE. Rachel’s. Sigh. When Quinn leaves she exhales shakily, and you guys, it totally sounds like she’s going to cry. Or be sick. That’s how much Quinn’s opinion matters to her. That’s how much she feels Quinn’s feelings.
I was talking with Rin right after I watched the clip, and saying how much I love that Quinn wishes she was that important to Rachel – how she can’t help pretending that she is – that her feelings on the matter would be relevant one way or another – that if the stupid Finn wedding is something she won’t be a part of, it’s something Rachel would reconsider being a part of too.
And then she wakes up, you know? Rin and I imagined giddily that after Quinn made her way to the door with dignity she basically went running to the car in a sudden downpour for a good old-fashioned sob, because she realised “Hey wait a minute, you idiot, what made you think you matter that much to her? What made you think you had anything to do with her future at all?”
And I think that’s why she finds Rachel in the faballway and tells her she’ll come to the wedding. As discussed above, it’s a case of ‘If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em,’ but it runs deeper than that. People can tell me Faberry isn’t a thing until they choke on actual real Faberry that’s coming out of their mouths and proving them wrong. The fact is that there’s a reason why Quinn is nearly in tears when she tells Rachel she’ll support the wedding. There’s a reason why she sighs when Rachel hugs her and nuzzles into her neck. There’s a reason why she delivers that jarringly homosexual line “When you were singing that song…”
She’s been chastened. She’s been put in her place. She stalked out of the bridal shop and Rachel’s world didn’t fall apart. Her plans didn’t change. Quinn has realised how irrelevant she is in the scheme of Finchel things.
OR SO SHE THINKS.
I wonder if she would have held out a little longer if she’d known it was working – if she’d heard that sickly little sound of despair that Rachel made when she left the room.
And I revel in the fact that in the end she was right the first time – she does matter to Rachel – she matters a lot. Because at the end of the day, when Rachel was told it was “now or never”? She chose never. Because Quinn.
Also, Rin when you were talking about Quinn throwing down, it made me go back to that ‘Quinn pounces on Rachel in her wedding dress’ place. Now I’m going there again. I cannot.
Oh and I know I said I wanted the next Faberry duet to be ‘Touchy’ by AHA… but now I want it to be the Baywatch theme.
I’LL BE THERE NEVERRRR YOU FEEEARRRR.
It would be the best thing Glee has ever done bar NOTHING.
Rin says: LOL oh my goodness. There’d be slow motion running on the beach. Yes. Want.
There is nothing more genius and otp-delightful than when Sophy contrasted what Finn said during prom to what Quinn has always believed and said here in this scene. Nothing. NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING!
And thank god you talked about Quinn being super protective of Rachel. Because again, this is one of those times when she didn’t need to keep talking, but she couldn’t help herself. IT’S LIKE SHE WAS ON STAGE DELIVERING A MONOLOGUE, and then suddenly had to turn to the audience and make sure they realised JUST HOW shiny Rachel was. At the expense of the audience and herself. ‘Cause seriously She’s basically saying, NONE OF US WILL EVER COMPARE TO RACHEL BERRY. IT’S THE TRUTH, DEAL WITH IT.
Like, they could have cut this scene just because of how gay that was.
We don’t know.
And I’m putting all my money on Quinn running from that bridal shop in tears. Because she wasn’t chosen.
But like Sophy said, when it counts…
Rachel chooses Quinn.
End of discussion. Thank you.
We’ll see you next time.
Best ‘Brittany is random’ Moment
“It feels balanced. Like I’m wearing the same color on the outside as inside.”
Rin says: Thank god Brittany had a line. Otherwise who knows what we would have stuck here. (Probably more caps of Quinn)
BUT. SAME COLOUR ON THE OUTSIDE AS INSIDE. Love.
Did anyone else think of inside out boy?
Sophy says: I had to google image search ‘inside out boy’. It was upsetting.
It was sort of wrong of them to leave this amazingness out. Like, I’m not saying it was right of them to leave any of this scene out, but if they really felt they had to, they should have just cut to this line anyway. Extra random Brittany.
Rin says: That’s not what I was talking about. Do not click that link. Everyone look away, and scroll down.
Rophy Says No!
“Besides, you can’t spell infinity without ‘Finn’!”
Sophy says: No, Rachel. If you try to spell infinity with ‘Finn’ you spell it wrong.
Rin says: This just goes to show that Rachel has gotten stupider and stupider as this wedding thing progressed.
Sophy says: Lol, I know right. In a weird way, though, I really like this line. When you have your character offering up glib, tacky, nonsensical cliches as reasons for marrying your other character, you know that the actual wedding is not going to happen. In fact, that’s probably why this whole scene was cut. I’ve always thought it made no sense that it would be cut for time, for reasons Rin has mentioned above. So it’s got to be about content. And I’ll admit that as much as I would have appreciated the relief, it would have made it way too obvious that the stupid Finn wedding would not be happening – not at the end of this episode and not at the end of the season either.
Head In Hands
“If she were a tiny Jewish teenager.”
Rin says: There’s something infinitely cute about the way she refers to Rachel as tiny. Especially when you look at Rachel standing up there on the podium. I just.
I DON’T KNOW.
‘Cause has Quinn ever really commented on Rachel’s appearance, I mean, apart from when she used to degrade her.
And when you call someone tiny, it’s meant in a ‘small but cuuuute’ way.
AND I JUST.
I love that Quinn can’t even keep her mouth shut for a second. Like everyone is all, ‘OMFG RACHEL YOU LOOK SO GOOD!!!’ and Quinn just huffs and puffs and objects passive aggressively.
Oh Quinn. One day. One day it’ll all make sense.
Sophy says: I KNOW RIGHT. TINY IS JUST. AND I DON’T. BUT HOW. BECAUSE.
Quinn’s huffing and puffing is my favourite. She can blow my house in any day of the week.
“Like it or not, it’s true.”
Rin says: Just to reiterate: Quinn Fabray is the biggest Rachel stan out of all of us.
I mean, I feel like we should change the title of this category to, ‘Rophy could only hope to aspire to these levels of fierceness.’
Sophy says: I wonder if her stanning will one day send her round the bend. Like I said, Sophia-esque devotion. The day she’s wearing jean shorts, we’ll worry.
Rin says: The day she turns up in New York on a fine, sunny day wearing jean shorts, will be the day I bid life farewell.
Quinn Glory Shot
…and she never did attend the wedding.
Rin says: She would rather get hit by a truck.
Don’t ever say Quinn wasn’t dedicated.
Sophy says: She organized the truck so as not to hurt Rachel’s feelings.